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#9
16-Jul-2005, 01:48 PM
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but isn't a BARF diet hard to implement ?
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16-Jul-2005, 04:13 PM
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BARF is an acronym for Bones And Raw Food. Also stands for Biologically Appropriate Raw Food.
Every living animal on earth requires a biologically appropriate diet. And if you think about it, not one animal on earth, is adapted by evolution to eat a cooked food diet. Just go to the wet market and buy your Bones and Raw Food. No need to cook, it shouldn't be difficult. Only thing is you need a big freezer!  Quote:
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#11
17-Jul-2005, 03:25 AM
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ahhhh... i tried feeding my dogs raw beef once, my mum saw me feeding em raw and i got a scolding from her, saying dogs will turn vicious once they taste blood and will try to attack ppl if they smell blood on the person. is that true ? my mum quiet experienced in keeping dogs.
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21-Jul-2005, 01:54 AM
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My 2 cts food for thought.....
Dogs in the wild or hanging around rubbish dumps do have skin problems like when they are injured in fights, falling into rocky ditches, eating contaiminated carcasses etc etc..only thing is that most of the time by nature's process of elimination of the weakest we don't get to see them...In the wild, dog eat to survive and not survive to eat....the weaker one get eliminated by being food for the stronger predator(eg. lions, tiger etc & rubbish dumps dogs...their predator is the pound catcher).The stronger ones in the wild will always be sourcing for food...eating to survive another day and because of the wider repertoire of available food, dog being by nature carnivoire...will always prefer meat rather then say plants to eat. Just to illustrate...wild dog on hunting spree...see a rat eat...hunt some more...bad day can't find another smaller animal to catch...saw a dead carcass..tried eating....dog wouldn't know whether he will be sick after eating...dog say who cares...hunger must eat to survive..can't take anymore of the dead carcass...maybe the smell real bad...dog move on..saw some slightly eaten up plant roots...tried to eat..don't seems to be good tasting....move on again. Similarly our rubbish dump dogs will also be hunting for food to eat to survive another day...rubbish dump dig..dig,,,dig...saw a piece of half chewed chicken...eat...dig again..some discarded vegetables coated with pork lard...eat.....saw a piece of pizza hut cardboard...still got some food on the cardboard...lick and try to pry food stains from cardboard...will not eat cardboard(no nutritious value).
The rough summary for dogs in the wild or rubbish dumps is that they do have skin problems but most of the time they are eliminated along the food chain before the public get to see. Also their wider available food sources give them a better chance not to be plagued by skin problem....compared with domesticated dogs...if dog owner buy a bag of dog food...if that bag of food is detrimental to the dog's health...dog got no choice got to eat everyday as there are no alternatives ...domesticated dogs also must eat to survive..only thing their very survival is at the hand of the owner....dog just can't turn around and say today I will open the door and go out to the field and have myself some rats!! Regards Kitsilano
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#13
21-Jul-2005, 02:05 AM
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I think is more so that dogs in natural environment have a better and wider choice of what is available to eat...is not so much knowing what they are lacking in their body and do compensatory eating...it is rather by being abled to eat so many different types of food in their daily eating spree that the odds are better that some of what the dog eat is of good nutritional value. Yes I agree...our domesticated dog's health is in the hand of the owner. Regatds Kitsilano
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21-Jul-2005, 10:23 AM
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Bro DogCom your experience is invaluable and beside training, if you can add in your knowledge of dog nutrition while on your daily rountine of training dogs..I think you will be doing a great service to dog owners in Singapore. Yes you are right preservatives, colour enhancer, ingredients replaced with cheaper ingredients etc are bad for our dogs. Dog owner buy a bag of dog food which appeal to him because of peer influence, the colourful dog food bag, price factor etc..all wrong reasons. The right way to look at dog food is to understand by reading up on dog nutritions and then look at the write up on the bag of dog food and try to make a decision from there. Just to highlight certain food for thought regarding ingredients in dog food.... (1) Beet pulp...many dog food uses beet pulp in their ingredients listed on the bag(in fact beet pulp is mostly the bigger ingredients on the list)....some say it is useful for the dog intestinal tract(aiya something to help digestion)..can it be true? What is beet pulp..it is nothing more then the sugar cane (por) left behind after the hawker grind out the sugar cane juice at your hawker centre...that is being used to make dog food...think how good can beet pulp be. Maybe a good idea if you want to save cost..go hawker centre gather beet pulp to feed your dog...of course your dog will not want to eat...aiya must add in taste enhancer lah! Beet pulp good for the dog intestinal tract meh?....try looking at the sugar cane fibre closely...the shredded fibres especially the finer ones are like little armour piercing needle if it goes through the dog intestinal tract...I tend to believe(my personal opinion) that prolong usage of beet pulp based food will cause intestinal bleeding in the dog. Also I will like to highlight that dogs prolong feeding on beet pulp based food tend to develop pinkish stomach...I think reaction to the beets...anybody out there have any experience in this regard? (2)In canned dog food ....it is really all meat?...are you sure it is not sorghum? What is sorghum....remember vegetarian food where they have chicken, char siew, pork etc that really taste like the real thing but is all flour like substance coated with chemical call taste enhancer. I am just wondering...maybe some of these canned food should be sent to the Department of Scientific Analysis for a closer look. Let me reiterate that I am not saying that canned dogfood are sorghum based...but I am wondering whether they are? (3)Poo or dog stools...oh yes I love talking about it. In fact in my personal opinion especially for somebody like bro DogCom who get to see so many dogs a day...stools observation should be perfected as an art. Whatever good or bad that a dog intake, the waste will tell a story. If a dog is eating correctly with a good diet...the stool should come out firm and slightly moist. I will not flood the net so much with stool talk afterward no appetite for lunch. p.s.....dog that eat poo is a social habit...aiya in doggy mind an acquired weird habit...look real stupid...but how about our kids...they dig their nose...look at the "pee sai" and then stick it into their mouth?????...are our kids suffering from malnutrition when they do that kind of thing...I don't think so...I think it is a habit they will eventually outgrow. Bro DogCom and everybody reading...have a good day. Regards Kitsilano
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21-Jul-2005, 10:35 AM
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Bro Crazymouse...very good observation but I tend to think that immune system in dogs irregardless of whether wild or domesticated is dependent on the nutritional value of their food intake. Saying wild dogs have a higher immune system because their food intake is nutrionally better is correct..but not all the time. A domesticated dog fed a good diet like a well balanced barf diet will offer the same immunity or even higher immunity....but a wild dog living out on the plain might be facing a drought and food are scarce...whatever they can hunt to eat might not have the good nutrional value...thus their immune system will drop...what I am trying to say is immune system is variable according to the nutritional value of the food intake irregardless whether it is in the wild or our own backyard. Regard Kitsilano
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21-Jul-2005, 10:49 AM
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Dog food started in the olden days in America where everybody goes to the neighbourhood grocery store and buy a bag of what considered dog food...it will contain mainly leftover meat from the butchery, some veggies and some other meat discards....how it changes over the years and become a multi billion highly competitive industry leaving the dog where the initial reason for the growth of this industry become the victim of industrial profit greed!
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