Some TV BBRs

BBR 9 now...

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BBR 10 now...

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BBR 11 now...

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Last, BBR 12...

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Thanks Geert. But the spawn was small, about 70 fries only. Guess the male may have been a little overweight to do a proper job. Male was AAA Thai, oya, Matsuyama line. Female nisai Thai showclass, unknown line. Because the spawn was too small, I fell it too early to judge this pairing, so I will try again next year, if not split the pair.

Because I study abroad, my dad told me not to buy new stock until I finish my uni in about 2-3 years more. Plus I am a student, my budget very tight. And also it is hard to find TVRs sold here at the moment. If not, I would love to work with Oishi, Kashino, Mita and Fukami ranchus. But since I cannot do that, I will have to improve my line using what I have in the time I have...call it a learning process. Of the 11 BBRs here, I find actually 3 to 4 of them quite all right. Their tails are not weak actually. The rest maybe, but I keep them for observation on their development. That is how I learn.

As to body length, to my knowledge, ideal is as Pat suggested with the circles or ratio of 1 to 2.5, but it really boils down to individual fish and preference. Also I have seen some winners in JApan with short bodies as well.

Here are the parents.

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OK, but when you talk about the ratio of the 3 circles, then you also have to interpret it correctly !!!!! IT MUST NOT BE AN EXCUSE TO SEE TOO SHORT RANCHU AS GOOD RANCHU !!!!! A Ranchu which has the good ratio, will NOT have a short body. There is a difference between a strong body that looks shorter and a short body. There is also a difference in body length and body strength between a Tosai and an Oya.
A Ranchu should have a big tail. Try to use the ratio of the 3 circles with a Ranchu that has a nice big tail and you will see what I mean.
With this email, one of the best Tosai that Mr. and Mrs. Takao bred this year. Does it have a short body ?

Regards,

Geert Coppens

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That of course has a really long body. Personally I like longer body fish, but these are just the most balanced fries out of the 70 plus.

Btw, the winners I mentioned with short bodies were all under tosai class, not oya. I can see a clear difference between a thick, muscular oya and a short bodied fish. Hope this clears up this part. I'll need to see if I can find those pictures and which year and competition. Been a while since I saw those pics.

One note, I do not see short body ranchu as good ranchu just because it is short. Plus not all the fries I have shown here are short body, just a few.

The tail part I do know that a ranchu needs a big tail. However I also read that the tail must not be too big for the fish itself. Size must be balanced. The tail can also be 3 pivot or 4 pivot with no penalty. The tail should also not be too stiff nor too soft or weak, and that the tail should shut in some when swimming. These 11 fries come closest to the standard(some with stronger tail and some weaker) but of course they are not the best examples.