Ranchu bred in 2005 (Part II)

Originally Posted by AbsoluteRanchu

I do not make the rules. I am merely passing along knowledge that was taught to me by Japanese judges, during competition. The standard is a Japanese standards, and an interantional one. You can use the same principle and apply to any fish that you can find. If the three circles are the same size then you have a nice fish. You can try it with your fish you have at home and compare with the many champion TVRs which I have posted already.

If you are serious about competition you will have to follow the Japanese standard, that's just the way it is. You may like different kind of fish, does not mean that you are wrong, it just mean that you are not interested in top view competition and you rather go on your own way. You may even have quite a few people who agree with you, and you can get them all together and form a club which like similar kind of fish. This is, not by any way, wrong, it is just not following interantional standard. There are also clubs in Japan that raise different types of ranchu that are not the modern standards. I believe that around the Osaka area, there are many breeders who are breeding ranchu that resemblance the older style ranchu in Japan. The fish are a little bit more rounded, the wen is extroadinary large, but the tail does not have the usualy shoulder on the tail as most modern ranchu.

Any how, you could disregard the standards, but it will be difficult to try to guage your own development with the other breeders around the world.

Originally Posted by ranchu8

Thanks, can you pls explain based on which part of the Ranchu are the first 2 circles suppose to end, eg is the first circle suppose to touch the end of the gill plate? also I've tried applying the 3 circles on the Ranchu champions in posts # 7, 8 and 9 in http://www.petsfanatics.com/forum/s...hp?t=169&page=1 but the 3 circles don't work most of the time if they are to be of equal size. Maybe I don't know how to do it. Can you pls try and if possible show how the 3 circles are to be drawn on the other Ranchus? Especially if applied to the tosai 2004 AJRS chammpions at http://www.ranchushop.com/Scope/Sho...004_Tosai1.html ? I recall it was mentioned that the Nichiran standard covers 1 full A4 page. Is there an English translation pls? By the way, I state that it is difficult to gauge using the 3 circles and I did not say that it is nonsensical.

Originally Posted by ranchu8

Thanks, can you pls explain based on which part of the Ranchu are the first 2 circles suppose to end, eg is the first circle suppose to touch the end of the gill plate? also I've tried applying the 3 circles on the Ranchu champions in posts # 7, 8 and 9 in http://www.petsfanatics.com/forum/s...hp?t=169&page=1 but the 3 circles don't work most of the time if they are to be of equal size. Maybe I don't know how to do it. Can you pls try and if possible show how the 3 circles are to be drawn on the other Ranchus? I recall it was mentioned that the Nichiran standard covers 1 full A4 page. Is there an English translation pls? By the way, I state that it is difficult to gauge using the 3 circles and I did not say that it is nonsensical.

Originally Posted by AbsoluteRanchu

Please kindly share with us your expertise, and explain what you mean by a good ranchu. The standards are for you to study, not to be told. If you have to hear from me, may be you do not know the standards. I can help shine the way, but you will have to provide your own answer for your own TVR system at your home.

By the way, I am an Adviser here, and I do not ask for much from members, but just to respect each other, and always be polite.

Originally Posted by pykoh

Lawrence,

I think this is how it is done. First circle from tip of the head to end of gill plate, second circle is where you left off from the end of gill plate to the edge of the tail bone and last circle is from where you left off in the second circle (from the edge of the tail bone) to the tip of the tail.

Am I right Pat?

I have modified a pic of a ranchu that I used to own to show what was meant. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by ranchu8

Thanks PYKoh for giving your input

Maybe your circles were drawn roughly as I understand they are suppose to be of equal sizes. I've tried to apply equal circles to the champion Ranchus in posts#7, 8, and 9 of http://www.petsfanatics.com/forum/s...hp?t=169&page=1 but most of the body parts would not fall within the circles properly as in post #5. (But of course the head circle would as it is the first circle to be drawn.) If I apply your method as mentioned above, the circles would not be equal sizes.

AbsoluteRanchu, I am trying to understand how one draws the 3 circles and this post is not intended to be rude or disrespectful.

Originally Posted by AbsoluteRanchu

I am so happy to hear that you are doing well. You are a great example for all the hobbyists here to realize that you can breed ranchu successfully where ever you are, as long as you are resourcesful, seeking knowledge, and never rest on the success of the past. To go by some of your babies that I have seen thus far, your secret weapon should be quite a sight.

We are at the beginning stage of our first breeding season this year. I hope to be able to cultivate some secret weapon of our own soon. I have recently been consulting with Mr. Aod Koban of the Jaran Group, and he has been most forth coming in sharing some pointers concerning water management for the breeding season. It has been most illuminating, and it also taught me that there are still, so much to figure out.

I wish you the best luck this year, and I look forward to seeing more of your beautiful fish when you see fit to show them for us.

ps. We are all very lucky that we have Geert in our forum to share with us his most valuable knowledge on Ranchu in Japan.